New pulling mechanics

[Mamba91]

-----> My work is based on this, so big props to noLegenD for his work <-----


So, with new patch notes saying "- Fixed Neutral creep chase time being too long.", the whole pulling and stacking mechanics is different on test right now.

After reading about noLegenD research on reddit, I thought I could focus a bit more on some pulls, namely
a) dire easy camp double pull
b) radiant middle lane pull
c) radiant top lane pull

What really have changed (read "you can't do it anymore soz") is the ancient pulling into dire bot lane and the exploit used to farm ancients blocking their path with a courier, but this is a true bugfix so it's only a good thing.

Let's start with the post.

a) Dire easy camp

Now to pull the camp you have to:

Attack a creep at X:06 or X:36


Quickly move to this spot and stand still untill you receive a hit from the neutrals. This way your whole creepwave will be pulled into the camp, instead of just a single creep









Pulling the big camp is still possible, even if it's SO much harder because you need to have perfect timing now, the neutrals need to arrive at the small camp perfectly when the last creep dies, otherwise they won't take aggro (you can stand when the Troll is in the picture to get hit but perfect timing is still a key factor)





That's all for this camp.

b)Radiant small camp

The key factor of this pull was that you could pull the big camp at the bottom into it, completely denying every form of experience to the opponent. Now you can't do it anymore (I mean, you can but you have to destroy quite a lot of trees under the camp and you need some spells like vacuum, skewer or firefly).
You have to double stack it before pulling now, that's the only way you can do it with a support.

Like the dire side, after cutting some trees with a quelling blade or some tangoes this time, you need to pull the camp at X:06 or X:36



Now you have to move to this spot, near the small plant texture, the creepwave will follow you and the neutrals





For every pull, you will probably have to move inside your creepwave when the attack from the neutral starts, in order to prevent the creeps to not being aggroed

c) Radiant top lane

This is by far the easiest to pull, you just have to cut the same tree, and maybe the one in between the lane and the camp, even if I doubt it's needed, and respect the timing, which is not that big of a deal.

The pull is started by attacking the neutrals at X:21 or X:51, quickly falling back to this little spot

[Mamba91]

If the camp consist in melee creeps, you should probably move a little after being attacked, to make sure the entire wave is being pulled into the camp




And that's it, hope this will be helpful to someone, even if I really would like they will revert the changes (not the courier one tho )

edit : the double post is because you are allowed to post only 12 images in a single post

[Mikeylicious]

Are you kidding me?
Most of the DotA2 players are aware of this. They are not ''new''...
However good thread for people that never seen this, so +1..

[Vaikiss]

dota2 ? was using this on w3 dota for ages...

[bushido_gg]

NEW

damn mongoloids

"- Fixed Neutral creep chase time being too long."

[eSportsOfSarus]

Can you confirm if it lessens the maximum stack count by 1 or 2?

[Mamba91]

NEW

damn mongoloids

"- Fixed Neutral creep chase time being too long."

In case someone didn't read it twice, let's post this again

Btw yeah, it seems you can only stack a camp 3 times now, while you could stack at least 5 times with good timing before... Sucks a bit tbh

edit: you should watch a the video posted by the reddit guy, he basically keeps pulling and stacking different camp for 45 minutes, and he also make a good picture

[JJ.The_Japanese]

Btw yeah, it seems you can only stack a camp 3 times now, while you could stack at least 5 times with good timing before... Sucks a bit tbh

Damn, that's the end of the +700 ancient stack

Pulling the big camp is still possible, even if it's SO much harder because you need to have perfect timing now, the neutrals need to arrive at the small camp perfectly when the last creep dies, otherwise they won't take aggro (you can stand when the Troll is in the picture to get hit but perfect timing is still a key factor)

Looks like it needs some training.
Nice job, thanks for info

[Yogofu]

Finally a fix... it was so lame just to stack the 3 hardcamps + the ancients :/ and boring to play/watch.


its much harder now to stack and i feel really sorry for the offlane Beastmaster because hes the one who gets crippled by far the most

[MRUltimate]

Finally a fix... it was so lame just to stack the 3 hardcamps + the ancients :/ and boring to play/watch.


its much harder now to stack and i feel really sorry for the offlane Beastmaster because hes the one who gets crippled by far the most

what? i stacked 5 times .the fix was made in order the ancients of dire not hitting the creeps and the and the radiant mid for easy camp.at least to make it more difficult stacking is still the same