About Versuta and stuff

[TobiWanKenobi]

I promised a statement on the situation from tonight, sorry it took so long was a lot to work through while also doing the VOD's and stuff from tonight

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Prior Warning:

Versuta in the past has been warned about streaming The Defense matches, back when the livestreams were still on own3d.tv and he was attempting to stream on twitch (which as you can imagine goes against the then current sponsor of the tournament).

While there was a peace in this sense as he agreed not to stream any Defense matches but still protested that a Russian stream must be available (which was in the hands of our streaming partner SLTV).

What happened tonight:

With Versuta advertising the coverage of Empire vs VP on his livestream tonight, I requested of TwitchTV to stop the streaming of The Defense games on Versuta's livestream, Twitch staff members then closed his stream.

This in turn spilled hatred into the chat of the jD stream and rumors of DDOS requests, which have no evidence whatsoever. It was an issue with us getting a connection out to the ingest server, not an attack.

After tonight:

I have talked to Versuta about the issue, while we are obviously not communicating well, be it points I have raised in the past, actions tonight, or pure languages, but it is obvious that the action I requested tonight was based on assumptions (the channel title and the DOTA TV menu visible, and his previous breaking of rules).

No matter how it is looked at Versuta did no deserve based on his actions tonight, to have his stream shut down tonight and for this I am sorry. While I may want this problem to be dealt with, this is not the method it should be done.

Respect to the partner streamers:

This is one of the primary reasons why everything written here is so important to me, people dedicate their time to cast The Defense and other jD projects and deserve to have as much support as can be provided. In this scenario I am refering to SLTV already streaming the event.

Streaming from DOTA TV:

This is something I have made my opinion on quite known after the talkDOTA on Tuesday night, to make a short summary; I believe that DOTA TV should be purchased for private use and if you wish to use it publicly then you have to request permission from the organiser to do so.

DOTA TV is something new for us all to get used to and guidelines on this topic need to be establish not only from streaming platforms but also from Valve themselves.

Valve opinion on the matter:

This I am still searching for, as I have had a conversation with Valve and have been told that it will be discussed internally. At this point tho I have pushed for the DOTA TV ticket to be treated like a purchased DVD, allowing the owner to use it for personal use, but if they want to display the material publicly permission must be sought from the organizer.

The current rules of the DOTA TV ticket state that there is no exclusivity with the ticket, meaning you may do whatever you wish with your ticket.

Security for sponsors:

With every tournament you run, your sponsors are sold a level of exposure be this through branding in game, and in the intro videos or from website impressions on micro sites. Either way an organizer must ensure that what is promised is delivered. When a streamer takes it upon himself to stream and he takes a large portion of the viewers for that language / region and is not a partner streamer (displays the sponsors correctly) then the organizer of the tournament shows no secruity in his brand.

This is why there are set streamers for competitions not only to ensure the sponsors requests are met, but also to avoid miss representation of other sponsors (for example a razer logo being shown on a non partner stream when ROCCAT is the official sponsor).

Streaming permission from before:

There was permission given to all that wished to stream:

"Every player and spectator in the game is allowed to provide a video stream. This video stream however has to be hosted on own3d.tv and has to have a delay of at least two minutes"

This was done at the request of own3d.tv to encourage more streamers to be on their platform. With the closure of own3d.tv the rule (6.4) became invalid, as we allowed the partner streamers to start using twitchTV but never expressed any change in this already existing rule.

RaidCall Cup caught in the middle:

This was the intended match to be streamed of Versuta unknown to myself, while I disagree with the method of him streaming it is 100% in the hands of RaidCall / EG to decide how it is handled.

In Closing:
This is not an issue I feel will or should go away, while I am sorry Versuta was put through the mistakes of tonight it is something that he and other casters / organizers will be debating over the next few weeks until we can find a solution that all parties are happy with.

Sub Note

RUSSIA and UKRAINE are our friends -- I love the people from there, especially cyberarena

[witchkingt]

You know what? Sponsors and ads are stupid. Everyone should adblock, there should be no official casters for anything, and everyone should steer away from tournaments/casts that are supported by all these money-grubbing dirty capitalist parasites that feed off of our livelihoods, rainbows, and unicorns. ZZZZZ

Smarten up guys.

There have to be rules in place when money is involved. Money makes competitive gaming go 'round. That's just how it works. And it works pretty damn well considering all the tournaments, sites, casters, and resources we have available to us for professional dota2.

[wmRolex]

Organizer of the event should decide which caster can cast their games . This is a Valve`s fault (not the first time) , how the F... they didnt set exclusivity with the ticket.

[Sinclaire]

You know what? Sponsors and ads are stupid. Everyone should adblock, there should be no official casters for anything, and everyone should steer away from tournaments/casts that are supported by all these money-grubbing dirty capitalist parasites that feed off of our livelihoods, rainbows, and unicorns. ZZZZZ

Smarten up guys.

There have to be rules in place when money is involved. Money makes competitive gaming go 'round. That's just how it works. And it works pretty damn well considering all the tournaments, sites, casters, and resources we have available to us for professional dota2.

yo dude, simple question, no offence, how to adblock the sponsor and ads, while we watch the stream?

[FF_ChocoBo]

You know what? Sponsors and ads are stupid. Everyone should adblock, there should be no official casters for anything, and everyone should steer away from tournaments/casts that are supported by all these money-grubbing dirty capitalist parasites that feed off of our livelihoods, rainbows, and unicorns. ZZZZZ

Smarten up guys.

There have to be rules in place when money is involved. Money makes competitive gaming go 'round. That's just how it works. And it works pretty damn well considering all the tournaments, sites, casters, and resources we have available to us for professional dota2.

I hope you also realize that these money grubbing capitalist parasites are also the reason that these tournaments are hosted in the first place. Don't want adds or sponsors? I hope you also don't enjoy having teams that can play dota full time or tournaments that are free for you to watch. If you do then don't worry about a thing

On a side note I hope everything gets sorted out soon. The top priority should go to the teams playing the games and the sponsors supporting them and the tournaments they play, if some angry bloggers are upset they can just not watch the games other people pay for

[Norl_]

I hope you also realize that these money grubbing capitalist parasites are also the reason that these tournaments are hosted in the first place. Don't want adds or sponsors? I hope you also don't enjoy having teams that can play dota full time or tournaments that are free for you to watch. If you do then don't worry about a thing

you read his second passage?^^

[witchkingt]

yo dude, simple question, no offence, how to adblock the sponsor and ads, while we watch the stream?

The adblock comment obviously refers to websites that have ads...

Also, I was hoping the 'capitalist parasites feeding off rainbows and unicorns' would clue people into the fact that I was being satirical. Next time I'll be much less subtle

[Toxiq]

God i love this , while your at it you should just ban every single non english speaking russian from dota2. Like seriously what are you crying about? That guy is obviously too stupid or drunk on vodka to do something like this. I say good job Twitch.tv please keep away the russians.

And what if russian community will do that as well? U r gonna watch Fnatic vs EG defense Grand final, and MtW in semis...and after that they will get stomped @TI3, is that what u want? Russian scene is big, prolly bigger than EU one. Please respect it and deal with it. Today organaizers didn't allow to cast Russian caster the game where only Russians teams played. Not to mention Versuta is official Empire TV caster.

I can understand about brand and sponsor logos etc, but srsly...if u've got a contract with SLTV make sure only vilat and casper cast it not mtrx4u. That's why all russians gone wild in chat.

[Migitdon]

I think you guys hating are missing the important point here. Tournament organisers need to have exclusivity as they have set up the tournament (takes a lot of time and effort) and sorted the sponsors and prize money to bring the best teams in because it's worth the effort for the prizes.

People who then "leech" as it were off this take away that exclusivity that is needed for the sponsors to feel its a secure investment to sponsor a tournament and then everything falls apart after that. I agree that Valve needs to sort this out so these things don't happen though. I trust they will. For now though call them money grabbing whatevers but they provide you with entertaining games where teams bring out the best plays in the race to grab the prize money so just think about that...

[Sllug]

(To the guy 2 posts above me, Toxiq, when Epi was casting The Defense, whenever mainstream casters are not present, the english speaking viewers do not start DDosing others or spamming other streams, they make forum threads. Russians made a dick move and deserve what they're getting.)

Mtrx4u has begun streaming the defense. He is also casting Starladder. Versuta was allowed to stream before because there were no russian alternatives. Now that there are official russian streams for some tournaments, versuta will be taking away revenue.
This is unfair on organisations and casters if Versuta is making money off of a tournament he has no link to, or even if he's only taking money/viewers away from others.

More to the point, the russians have no ground to stand on because their response to this wasn't to start a forum thread,
it was to DDos Tobi's stream and consistently spam the chat for about 20 minutes.

This is why Russians have a bad name. They act before thinking and refuse to get along with other groups.