Stream-Cheating Pro Players.

[germanstylz]

Tobi has what, a 30second delay on his stream?
purge/sheever etc have literally no delay, just "live".

There are alot of teams playing in tournaments now with players who have been caught many times maphacking (quantic.LastHitMagic etc). There are alot of players who want to win by any means necessary, who dont care what it takes.

Now add the fact that you have $10,000+ tournaments, international qualifiers, teams forced to play on unfair servers etc and you have players that really find stream-cheating an easy way to gain an unfair advantage.

I dont think there is a "maphack" for dota2 at the moment, but stream-cheating is a pretty easy, undetectable way anyone who is playing in a casted game can easily gain an unfair advantage.

- ward spots
- roshan
- enemy gold
- difference in gold
- items
- stacks
- starting lanes
in streams with no delay, you can even make out certain ganks before they happen.

The fact is that players who want to win by any means possible have a really easy way of gaining an unfair advantage.
Especially in the big important games coming up (international qualifiers) and any casted game that has been played.

5-10 second delay on most of the twitch.tv casters and even the 2min delay on dotatv is a joke.
Solution: All streamers required to have 6min delay. (6 min is the amount of time observer wards last on the map)

Will this be forced and implemented? knowing the dota2 community, probably not.
Cheaters will keep cheating, and who knows how many games/tournaments have been decided in the past with teams abusing stream-cheating.

[Gadzy]

I wouldn't even blame anyone for streamcheating at the qualifiers for the international. It's just too easy, and a lot is at stake.

The only people I would blame would be the streamers.


Edit: And what really puzzles me is that the tournament arrangers don't make a push against the possibility of ghosting..

[Lactose]

I think there should be a 5 minute delay. Would fix all issues.

[Hex#0000]

i know purge has delay comparing the starladder stream and his.

[hinoyama]

Can we pick up the word ghosting instead of stream-cheating? Not sure why it hasn't caught on here.


There should be a 6 minute delay on all streams.

[Lamora]

OP, your example in "there are alot of teams playing in tournaments now with players who have been caught many times maphacking (quantic etc)." is rather weak. You say a lot of teams with a lot of players and yet say the name of one team and zero players?(yes, the player in question can be found in 30 seconds research on this forum, but still).

But i do agree that the current delay in dota2 streams is very low due to all the reasons you said above and that the delay really should be of six minutes, because 6 min delay is basically another game with different positionings, itens, ganks and towers.

[fuzzhit]

It was kinda weird in that EG-Quantic game where the Quantic player went in to the woods and planted a sentry in what normally would be a random place, the thing was in this game Fear was standing there invis with gondar and leeching XP, did just catch the end of the situation so cant say exactly what happend.

[Donjosip]

DeMoN was caught stream cheating against Quantic sooo.. he even confessed himself and then the thread was removed from Nadota

[Atska]

Most Player use 2 screens when they play Dota2 and furthermore a 2 min delay is not enough because you can see the wards.

[dr4gonbl4z3r]

TBH I think that 2 mins delay is decent enough. Although have to say that enforcing a stream delay isn't a bad idea. Although I trust most pro players don't ghost on their games (seen Zenith's vids and stuff where they just sit together and LAN in preparation for TI2) I think that if players ghost, they will probably be harmed more than benefit. As Dota 2 grows and grows, more and more LAN events will be conceived. At this rate, if players continue abusing streams, they will just harm themselves when they go to LAN events and win nothing. Just saying that ghosting is really bad for players too.