Best Chinese Team at TI2?

[iLLyA_s2_ViEL]

Yep, do you also notice

For some reason you forgot about WE. You know, the team that got thrashed by Mouz. Yes, those that are ranked 4th best Chinese team in Dota 1 at 7th place.

He was also talking about the same Mouz with a stand-in. So mouz with a stand-in thrashes the living sh*t out of WE but loses quite heavily (watch mouz vs burning, i mean dk, game 1). However, in DotA 1, WE easily gives DK a run for their money.

[Gucci9ers]

Yep, do you also notice



He was also talking about the same Mouz with a stand-in. So mouz with a stand-in thrashes the living sh*t out of WE but loses quite heavily (watch mouz vs burning, i mean dk, game 1). However, in DotA 1, WE easily gives DK a run for their money.

WE didnt play any dota 2 since the qualifier, which was months ago. WE trains dota 1 daily and still lose to DK in dota 1, that in itself speaks a lot.

and please, dont try to make mouz look like a good team lol, when teams like mTw, m5, and darer give mouz problems...........

[iLLyA_s2_ViEL]

And before you pull out game 2 of Mouz vs DK, where they were winning early-midgame, can I please remind you DK is not a stable team such as LGD. They depend far too heavily on the consistency of their star carry player, BurNIng. Most of the games they lose are due to the fact that BurNIng was not given the early game he needed, or he just downright underperformed.

Addtionally:

WE didnt play any dota 2 since the qualifier, which was months ago. WE trains dota 1 daily and still lose to DK in dota 1, that in itself speaks a lot.

and please, dont try to make mouz look like a good team lol, when teams like mTw, m5, and darer give mouz problems...........

Where did i ever say that mouz was a good team??? I'm merely stating WHY WE lost so easily to mouz, while the 3 chinese giants never had much trouble. P.S. i wouldn't even call LGD vs Mouz close. LGD were under no pressure/danger of losing those games. At any point.

[Gucci9ers]

And before you pull out game 2 of Mouz vs DK, where they were winning early-midgame, can I please remind you DK is not a stable team such as LGD. They depend far too heavily on the consistency of their star carry player, BurNIng. Most of the games they lose are due to the fact that BurNIng was not given the early game he needed, or he just downright underperformed.

DK plays a 4 protect 1 strat, everyone knows that. show me a game where burning underperforms (meaning he was giving the farm and doesnt deliver at all). DK games always last over 30+ min and they almost always lose 2 out of the 3 lanes because they always keep 2 support in the trilane and the supports never roam to help mid gank. but burning always carry them back to win late.

[iLLyA_s2_ViEL]

DK plays a 4 protect 1 strat, everyone knows that. show me a game where burning underperforms (meaning he was giving the farm and doesnt deliver at all). DK games always last over 30+ min and they almost always lose 2 out of the 3 lanes because they always keep 2 support in the trilane and the supports never roam to help mid gank. but burning always carry them back to win late.

Can you quit nitpicking on the smallest things that are in my posts. My MAIN point was that DK usually does not perform well without burning getting the start he needs. I was not referring to this tournament when I said that they do not usually perform all that well when burning underperforms. Look at their previous losses in ACE (recently) and the other tournaments which they lost in 2011 (when DK were at their peak). Most of their losses demonstrated an overreliance on burning. Do you know why his teammates joked about refusing to pick CK? Just a random game out of the top of my head is WE vs DK in 2011 where DK almost lost due to burning's 0-11 ck (or something along those lines). LongDD and super barely carried them. Before you say he was giving the farm to longDD and super, he was actually given farm priority as well as aegises. Yes, burning is probably and probably has been the best dota player for the last 2-3 years or so, but he DOES underperform in some games.

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also, please, read the posts before you start posting in a thread. basically everything you've said is basically reaffirming what i've said.

WE hadn't played Dota 2 ever since they lost in the qualifiers. Oh yeh, they played one BTS game or something, but that was about it. Don't judge WE's skill level via that game. Do you really think mouz would even be able to take on a Chinese team like NA (assuming equal dota 1 and 2 skill levels?). Mouz was repeatedly THRASHED by the Chinese giants in the international.

WE didnt play any dota 2 since the qualifier, which was months ago. WE trains dota 1 daily and still lose to DK in dota 1, that in itself speaks a lot.

and please, dont try to make mouz look like a good team lol, when teams like mTw, m5, and darer give mouz problems...........

next time try reading before responding.

[Gucci9ers]

Can you quit nitpicking on the smallest things that are in my posts. My MAIN point was that DK usually does not perform well without burning getting the start he needs. I was not referring to this tournament when I said that they do not usually perform all that well when burning underperforms. Look at their previous losses in ACE (recently) and the other tournaments which they lost in 2011 (when DK were at their peak). Most of their losses demonstrated an overreliance on burning. Do you know why his teammates joked about refusing to pick CK? Just a random game out of the top of my head is WE vs DK in 2011 where DK almost lost due to burning's 0-11 ck (or something along those lines). LongDD and super barely carried them. Before you say he was giving the farm to longDD and super, he was actually given farm priority as well as aegises. Yes, burning is probably and probably has been the best dota player for the last 2-3 years or so, but he DOES underperform in games.

Addtionally:

also, please, read the posts before you start posting in a thread. basically everything you've said is basically reaffirming what i've said.





next time try reading before responding.

i never saw that game, so i dont know. but i never seen burning underperform. even when he has a bad start, he finds the way to farm and always get his items up after 30min.

what i thought u were saying is mouz beat WE, WE beat dk, so mouz > dk. didnt read ur early post so sry. but i just want to point out that dk > mouz or WE.

[iLLyA_s2_ViEL]

i never saw that game, so i dont know. but i never seen burning underperform. even when he has a bad start, he finds the way to farm and always get his items up after 30min.

what i thought u were saying is mouz beat WE, WE beat dk, so mouz > dk. didnt read ur early post so sry. but i just want to point out that dk > mouz or WE.

All good. haha, everyone underperforms sometimes. Burning is no exception ^^